Comments on: What is the Atonement? http://www.prudentmusings.com/christianity/what-is-the-atonement/ A Christian Blog about Christian Apologetics Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:08:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Richard Smolenski http://www.prudentmusings.com/christianity/what-is-the-atonement/comment-page-1/#comment-12376 Richard Smolenski Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:58:50 +0000 http://www.prudentmusings.com/christianity/what-is-the-atonement/#comment-12376 Sorry, I don't always cite for orthodox (commonly-understood) theology. I'm not certain how these are contrary. Please explain, and feel free to cite as well. 1. 1 John 3:4 "Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness." 2. Romans 3:23: "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," How sin infects us all, including infants: Romans 5:12-21: "12Therefore, just as(A) sin came into the world through one man, and(B) death through sin, and(C) so death spread to all men because(D) all sinned— 13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but(E) sin is not counted where there is no law. 14Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not(F) like the transgression of Adam,(G) who was a type of(H) the one who was to come. 15But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for(I) many. 16And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For(J) the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought(K) justification. 17For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness(L) reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. 18Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. 20Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Sorry, I don’t always cite for orthodox (commonly-understood) theology. I’m not certain how these are contrary. Please explain, and feel free to cite as well.

1. 1 John 3:4 “Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.”
2. Romans 3:23: “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

How sin infects us all, including infants: Romans 5:12-21:

“12Therefore, just as(A) sin came into the world through one man, and(B) death through sin, and(C) so death spread to all men because(D) all sinned— 13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but(E) sin is not counted where there is no law. 14Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not(F) like the transgression of Adam,(G) who was a type of(H) the one who was to come.
15But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for(I) many. 16And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For(J) the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought(K) justification. 17For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness(L) reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

18Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. 20Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

]]> By: Jet http://www.prudentmusings.com/christianity/what-is-the-atonement/comment-page-1/#comment-12375 Jet Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:37:26 +0000 http://www.prudentmusings.com/christianity/what-is-the-atonement/#comment-12375 1. "Sin is defined as disobedience to the law of God." 2. "Every single person is born a sinner." If the above are fact, then how can an infant human disobey God's laws? God does not create sinners. Adam and Eve were created without sin and they chose to sin. We are no different today. The above statements are quite contrary and cannot be backed up with scripture (which is why I'm assuming none was given). 1. “Sin is defined as disobedience to the law of God.”
2. “Every single person is born a sinner.”

If the above are fact, then how can an infant human disobey God’s laws? God does not create sinners. Adam and Eve were created without sin and they chose to sin. We are no different today.

The above statements are quite contrary and cannot be backed up with scripture (which is why I’m assuming none was given).

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